Pintail Fullbodies???

[Dux r me]

Hey just wonderen if any of you guys were interested in pintail fullbodies?

[duckboy1]

yeah those would be great! i think that avery only needs to make active and rester fullbodys no feeders!!!!!!!!!

[Clayton]

Why no feeders?

[duckboy1]

why no feeders? becuase the most of the people that i would think by them is for decoys to be put on rice checks or shore lines as resting ducks you can drive by a refuge or rice feilds here in Cali and see dozens of srpig just resting on land! and probley the same down in Tex or Lousiana. but i could see how the huntes in the north would want feeders for feild hunting but think the mojority of hunters would want actives/sleepers.

[compass]

Great Idea, Dux. Eberhart here in California makes some now. As pointed out, they are used along rice checks, field edges and sandbars for visibility. With these large resting spreads, it is possible to interest and call down flights of sprigs during the day, even on bluebird days. The Eberhart dekes are fairly crude by GHG standards, but highly effective, especially in groups of three dozen or more. GHG should have no trouble improving over them. Right after they fill out their "life-size" line (particularly canvasback and redhead) of course.

[Curt Wilson]

This is an idea that has been thrown around. I will let you guys know if something happens. You never know what could come out next year.

[Clayton]

Even with the one bird limit I bet they will be hot in rice country.

[Travis Mueller]

Clayton I think you are right. As you drive out of Stuttgart back to our house, you always see that big sprig up on a rice check. I think they would stand out great. It's all about looking natural.

[JEDJR]

Originally posted by Clayton:
Even with the one bird limit I bet they will be hot in rice country.I know they would look good in the ricefields down here..

[Cryfowl]

I would definately be in for Pintail full bodies. I already have 2 dozen eberhart decoys, but would sell them in a heart beat for Avery!!!!!

[SwampHunter]

Yep! I would love to see fullbody pintails, but there have to be feeders to be available. Reason being when you see them feeding in the fields here most of them are feeding. ;)

[Brett Beinke]

I guess it all depends on where they will be used as to which ones you would want. To my suprise actives out sold feeder full body mallards at every event I worked this year. I do also know that when I added pintails to my water spreads the harvest of pintails increased and I bet adding pintails to a field spread would do the same.

[J Kryspin]

I think Flambeau had them in production for about 1/2 a season, but I believe they were mallards painted as pintails.

I would definitely order some. Too many pintails in the fields with not enough decoy choices for full bodies.

[JEDJR]

What to take in consideration is the low Pintail numbers and limits.
Would it warrant building a Pintail fullbody and putting it into production with the numbers so critical? Would this keep them from selling?

IMO, I hunt strictly ricefields, and I would buy afew, but afew wont get this project off the ground. I think some marketing and studies on this project will have to be done before this decoy goes to the drawing board. JMO.

[SwampHunter]

Jed,
Canvasbacks are in the same boat so to speak. I think the sales on Canvasbacks have been pretty good.
Yep Pintail numbers are low, but that doesn't stop me from buying Pintail decoys. The same would hold true for fullbody Pintails. Just gotta have them in the spread when we hunt places that Pintails use.

[Clayton]

As stated above Avery offers canvasback with an estimated national harvest of only 44,479 last year, redheads only 97,542, and both species of scaup combined to 354,089 harvested. Even with the restrictions pintail harvest was still 311,115.

[biologist]

I would think full body pintail resters and actives would really increase the visibility of a spread. Their big white chests would stick out on mud flats, sandbars, edges of marshes, etc. Also I use pintails in my spread more as a confidence decoy because around here everybody has a spread with 2 dozen mallards.

[Dux r me]

claytons right pintails are still harvested in good numbers plus it would be like the spoobills you made for confidence those white drakes would stand out so well plus i know a ton of people who have erdhart decoys so obviously there makeing money i think you guys wouldnt have any trouble selling pintail fullbodies, that is if you stocked your dealers alot quicker jk.

[duckboy1]

i really dont think pintail numbers are as low as you think! i know in california we see thousands and thousands of srpig! there is know shortage of sprig out west!

here is a survey done last year before the season opend on sevral local refuges

http://www.fws.gov/pacific/sacramentovalleyrefuges/WtrflSumOctober21.htm

if you look Pintail is the #1 bird and thats before the season even started!!!!!!!!!!!

here is just a couple weeks later!
http://www.fws.gov/pacific/sacramentovalleyrefuges/WATERFOWL%20SUMMARIES%20Nov%201-3.htm

[SteveS]

they would sell out here for sure. We can only shoot one sprig out here, that's another topic, but the majority of spreads consist of large numbers of sprig dekes, especially in rice fields and our grasslands. people can only shoot one can and they still put out a lot of dekes. hell if sprig season was closed all year, I'd put out a ton sprig dekes, just for a huge confidence spread. If I had an island on my place, which I'm working on, I'd load it with sprig dekes. every year the refuge near me rebuilds levees to be barran specifically for sprig to loath on. all you see is white on those levees. some day soon we'll be back up to 3 sprig limit out here. Once the biologists find all those sprig in Alaska that they can never find and add into the count.

[JEDJR]

I do think the west coast would buy more of them as the pintail numbers are better there than anywhere else in the U.S.

The comparison of Canvasbacks and Bluebills, etc.. is not a good one for the simple fact Avery already makes Pintail decoys also. Dont get me wrong I would buy afew fullbody Pintails, but I just dont know if there would be a strong enough market for them.I think there is a lot of other decoys that would be priority over these right now as well.
I'm sure these will be talked about.

[Will DeBlois]

i think that Fullbody black ducks would also be a good idea..and gadwalls

[Clayton]

I agree oneshotwill, Be sure to vote on the fullbody black duck poll as well. I think it would be harder to get interest in fullbody gadwall but I would get some. They feed on the mudflats and shallow water here during the winter drawdown of the lake.

[Doug Steinke]

As you can see, full body pins may work here also.

http://webpages.charter.net/silverbellies/pins.jpg

[duckboy1]

you guys are telling me that full body black ducks will have more of a demand? what??? pintails cover the hole northern hemisphere of the world.(just to name some countrys that they are found in is russia, japan, china, india, iraq!, and counties in africa and europe!) and then you have black ducks that are only found in 2 of the north american flyways??

[SwampHunter]

We get quite a few Black Ducks through here and a few of them would be nice for the spread, but I would much rather have Pintails.

[Mark "LA CROSS" Hoke]

SOUNDS LIKE MORE WORK FOR FREDDIE.I AM SURE HE DOESN'T MIND. ;)

MARK HOKE
AVERY PRO-STAFF
ZINK PRO-STAFF

[JEDJR]

Originally posted by LA CROSS:
SOUNDS LIKE MORE WORK FOR FREDDIE.I AM SURE HE DOESN'T MIND. ;)

MARK HOKE
AVERY PRO-STAFF
ZINK PRO-STAFF''It's in the Blood ''.... ;)

[Travis Mueller]

So is wanting to hunt once or twice this year!!

[JEDJR]

Originally posted by Travis Mueller:
So is wanting to hunt once or twice this year!!Travis, I couldn't agree more. If anyone deserves some time off for hunting it's Fred. I'm sure he's counting the days...

[Cryfowl]

Sell them on the west coast!!! I'll take a couple dozen. There are and have always been tons of pintail around here. Come end of the season, it's not uncommon to see 6000+ Pins feeding in one field. Down side is we still are only allowed one Pin a day, despite the numbers here. When I asked the FWS why only one Pin a day, they told me that Pintails are regulated on the National average, not by flyway. Meaning, if New York isn't seeing any Pins, we don't get to shoot them over here either. Not fair!!!!

[JEDJR]

I was not aware of this. I thought the west coast,(Pacific Flyway) had a more liberal limit on Pintails?..

[SteveS]

Still one, yet it is the most numerous bird in the state. we have less wigeon yet we can shoot 7, we have less everything else, hell we can shoot 7 woodys and a lot of guys do. sometimes things don't make a lot of sense. pintail fullbodies are great confidence dekes. I've noticed a drop in the numbers of sprig i have killed since I stopped using my silos I made a few years ago.

[duckboy1]

jed the limit on srpig are the same arcoss the board. the only thing that i can think of that is set by flyway are geese. we can shoot 3 specs but only 4 snows for 100 days but yous guys can shoot alot more snows and 2 specs?? but for how many days? but if the fed reset their guidelines this next year we may see more sprig but yet a lower limit and less days :(

[JEDJR]

Yeah we get 2 specks but our days were reduced to 72 from 86 this year.
Snows, we can shoot 20 per day, and no limit during our conservation order. Our total days on snows, are about 110.

[Mark Brendemuehl]

I would like to see a Pintail fullbody. I wouldn't personally buy dozens of them, but a few 6 packs would make my spread more realistic for sure. I am still convinced its all about doing what the guy in the next blind ISN'T.
Mark

[rsdecoys]

Originally posted by duckboy1:
jed the limit on srpig are the same arcoss the board. the only thing that i can think of that is set by flyway are geese. we can shoot 3 specs but only 4 snows for 100 days but yous guys can shoot alot more snows and 2 specs?? but for how many days? but if the fed reset their guidelines this next year we may see more sprig but yet a lower limit and less days :( I thought that the Pacific Flyway had a Canvasback season for a long time while it was closed here on the East Coast. So doesnt that mean that they are jugding it based on individual nesting poulations. As in, there is a specific group that migrates this way and another that goes down that coast.

Back to topic, I voted yes for the pinnies. I think the light color would be a nice addition to a field spread.

[duckboy1]

rsdecoys im not to sure about the can season in the past but this year we have a 60 day season. the only time that i can remeber it being closed was 3 years ago. but there may have been closed seasons before me. tongue.gif