How many would like to see longer motion stakes for the fullbodies?

[Clayton]

Seems there is some interest in longer motion stakes for the fullbodies to use in shallow water/soft mud situations. How much demand is there for them?

[goosehunter64]

Well??.....from what I've read and heard on here...the old steaks 18" and are now 24"...err maybe longer...someone correct me if I'm wrong??

[JEDJR]

They are 24 '' now for the univeral motion stakes.
As far as the new realmotion stakes that come with the realmotion system on the fullbodies, I brought up that those stakes need to be longer for the same reasons you mentioned.

I also suggested that Avery could make the longer stakes, and sell them seperatly as an accessory item like the universal motion stakes.

Longer stakes seem to be needed for guys that hunt water or soft muddy ricefields. The longer stakes would give more ''bite'' in the ground and help the decoy stay up straight in high winds.
They would also lift the decoys up over some of the taller stubble that farmers tend to leave from time to time that may hamper some of the motion on the stakes provided now.

[goosehunter64]

Year I hear ya guys..........them Avery guys never listen to a word we say :rolleyes: :D tongue.gif

[websdown]

Longer for sure. For the love of me why does a company make shorter motion stakes one year decide they are alittle to short come out with the 24 inch ones that every one likes than come out the next year with shorter ones again in there new motion systems. I,m not a college grad but come on guys how about some common sense.In the mean time do what i did was take a flat punch or drill get the roll pin out that holds the white plastic motion piece & limiter to the fiberglass stake you,ll have to pull & twist to get the stake out because it is also glued on go to your local hardware and buy some metal rod and cut to the length you what. Don,t get me wrong Rep,s love the new system just to short of a stake the round base is fine you don,t lose any of the height sitting on top of the ground.

[Eric Larsgaard]

Good Post!!!!

One of our Pro-Staff members has come up with a great solution for this. I will try to have him post a photo and explain it.

Eric

[Curt Wilson]

One thing to watch out for guys is longer stakes on the FB Mallards. If you get the decoys is too much water, the duck already know that they can't stand in there. What I am trying to say is that motion decoys in to deep of water just doesn't look natural. Just my opinion. I have had a lot of requests for longer stakes here in California as well.

[JEDJR]

Curt, I understand about the deeper water, What the longer stakes would do is simply give you the length needed to push farther down in the mud to hold the decoys sturdy in soft bottom & windy situations, Mallards are Geese just above the top of the water to resemble simply standing in shallow water.

[Travis Mueller]

Great idea guy's. There is definitely a need for longer stakes. I have run into it once where I had to "search" for a little "stiffer" ground to put the stakes. A longer one would of allowed me to just keep sinking into harder ground. It is noted. Thank you.

[Brett Beinke]

Some of the benefits of longer stakes is that as the decoy moves the holes tend to get bigger and tip overs can happen. Longer stakes give you much more stake in the ground to stop that from happening. Great suggestion!

[Dux r me]

or you could just make the stakes into two peices if you want the longer stakes u just twist them on if you want shorter ones just kepp the other peice off also it would be easier to carry them that way.

[Christian Curtis]

The longer stake is a great idea for the "muck" in, say a rice field. Thanks for the input.

[Tom Matthews]

Or we could eliminate them all together. I am all for suggestions, but you smart asses that talk about "common sense" should be a little more respectful. I am a college graduate, and I do have common sense. You don't like what you get for free, throw it away and make your own. But DO NOT come into my house and insult me. Got it? Good. Now let's get back to designing a better product.

[duckboy1]

i would deffently like longer stakes even for the shell decoys. i mostly use shell goose decoys in flooded rice and i have 24in stakes and on small shells they work fine but with the OS decoys they just dont have enough length to be stable i had to go pick up decoys the blew over in a 20 mile wind. i think that a 3 foot stake would be better for some not all.

[Goosehunter51]

Nicely put Tom, he should have been more respectful. If he does not like it then make your own.
Brock

[websdown]

Tom I don,t think any one is trying to intentionally be a smart *** .And no one is getting them for free because you are not getting 6 foot bases in the box. I don,t know what it costs Avery to make these up but the 18in of fiberglass stake costs a couple bucks at most i admit the limiter piece is the key but you can,t tell me that the plastic foot base is not more expensive to mold plus time and labor intensive. As far as common sense what was the reason for the shorter stake?This will be my last post on this subject. Promise.

[Tony Vandemore]

I would like to see the stakes longer as well on the feeders, as well as a longer stake on the motion base. The true feeder heads need a little more clearance in stubble. To remedy this I just put the two true feeder heads on the foot bases and the shorter heads on the motion bases, they get the best movement.

[Shoot-n-Release]

I can answer that after reading this site for a few years. The reason would be people would be bit****** because they have to shove that LONG stake into hard ground too far!!!!! They would be asking "Why can't you make a shorter one!!!!!" RIGHT??? Bruce

[Clayton]

Of course you are right shoot-n-release. As the saying goes you can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time. The reality is different situations will dictate the need for different length stakes. I think all we are asking is for Avery to provide us with the option of purchasing longer stakes or even bases. Maybe they could provide short bases and long stakes in each box to give people that option as well as provide for the purchase of taller bases and short stakes for those that want something different. That is the beauty of this message board in that Avery is providing us a place to provide input in future products.

[Shoot-n-Release]

The answer is to make your own for your own particular situations because they vary so much for each hunter and region. It isn't that difficult. geez Bruce

[Brobones]

I bought some of the FB mallards, first off I would like to say fantastic job on the shape of the decoy and the painting of the decoys is fantastic. The only thing I am going to change is adding extensions to the stakes. In wheat stubble the feeder style decoys lose their ability to turn in the wind. With the bills getting hung up in the standing stubble.

On a pea field the feeder style will be ok. Does anyone one know the diameter of the stakes. I don't have one with me and I am at work and want to make them today. If someone can reply to this it would be great thanks

[biologist]

Brobones
I checked the stakes for the fullbody mallards with my calibers and they are 5.9mm

[Brobones]

Sweet thanks Bio, greatly appreciated, even in metric..LOL

[Scott Moates]

Come on, these decoys were designed to hunt in a field without water; field decoys. If you want a longer stake, I would recommend getting a scrap arrow shaft and attaching it the stake or sticking it in the end of the shaft.

I grew up hunting where we had to modify just about everything we hunted with because there was no duck hunting equipment available. Anybody remember these times? Man, if I had a Finisher Blind 25 years ago, there are no telling how many ducks we would have killed hunting on sandbars. Believe me, we killed plenty of ducks, but it was HARD hunting. We have it too easy today, everything is made for us and it has become too easy. We do appreciate your suggestions, but, come on, have some fun making modifications to your equipment to fit the environment that you hunt in.

[Travis Mueller]

You know I started thinking about how many things we modified, and it was amazing. There really wasn't a thing that was perfect. But today we just assume. Let's start a list of things we had to modify way back when:
1.) Homemade jerk string.
2.) Homemade weights, bags(gunny sacks)
3.) The infamous five gallon bucket blind bag.
4.) Made my own sling!
It could go on and on.
Anybody else?

[biologist]

Travis and Scott I think you guys hit the nail on the head. We've all gotten used to instant gratification. Why fix or come up with something on your own when we just order it online or go to the store and get it. We want all the bells and whistles with out having to think or do it ourselves.

You know there have been some good ideas for simple modification to Avery decoys. Like how to use the decoys without keels or how to lengthen the stakes for the full bodies. Right now I'm working on a easy way to mount the full body mallard on a log. The problem with these ideas when posted on here is that they get buried in all the post and if you didn't know where to look or the right key words you might never find them. There needs to be a place where these ideas are kept and are easy to retrieve. It could be called something like " Avery Users Tricks and Hints: How to get more out your gear."

[Christian Curtis]

Travis...thaks for putting things in perspective!

[Scott Moates]

I had burlap decoy bags forever.

[JJ McGuire]

I still modify, change, add, subtract, paint, etc. just about every single piece of waterfowl gear I have.

[Mike Bard]

In trying out my motion stakes and motion bases, I have found their heights to work well. I do see the points of those of you looking for a longer stake. In the future, maybe Avery could develop a longer stake and either sell it as an accessory or possibly include 3 origional length and 3 extra length stakes in the packages. I'm sure there are several ways to market/package various length stakes if that's the route taken. On the other hand, for a homemade remedy, it would be easy to use dowels and cut them any length you want.

[GooseFlocker]

I used the burlap potato sacks for decoy bags ;) Got them for free, from the local grocery store were I bagged groceries and stocked shelves in order to buy the newest stuff from the most recent Herter’s catalog :D

[Brobones]

There is no way anyone can design a product that fits for every situation. I made my extensions for wheat stubble and the decoys move just like live ducks do. Can't wait to have some big green heads checking out the FB's. I don't like even to shoot any mallards till they get those green heads. The northern birds are nice and big about the middle of October here in Sask.

[Nick McArthur]

Longer would be nice too, but more over, I and some of my hunting partners would like to see the bases have a little larger circumfrence at the base to stand up to a little heavier wind. Right now we have been using the stakes, and they are working great in high wind conditions, but my fear is when the ground freezes up here and the wind kicks up, my FFD's are going to be tits up...just my thoughts on what I'd like to see on the somewhat related topic. Thanks