Kerry vs. Bush

[pcgoosehunter]

So, it's pretty much guaranteed that Kerry will be running against Bush for President. What does everybody think about this? Who are people voting for?

[Ben Duff]

Registered Democrat, but George W. will get my vote.

[JEDJR]

Registered Republican, but I dont know if the U.S. can afford Bush for another 4 years.Dont get me wrong, Nothing against our military. They have a job to do and have done it well.

[David Carrington]

Seeing how Kerry misses 40 plus percent of his senate votes, but can rush back to Washington to vote for Gun Control issues and that President Bush is a hunter, is enough to help with my decision.
Kerry has the absolute most liberal voting record of anyone in the senate. I want anybody that is thinking about voting for Kerry to just sit back and think what we would have done if he was President during the 9/11 attacks. We would still be apologizing for whatever we had done to bring this on ourselves.
Bush is a victim of his on success by the fact that people are more worried about their billfolds than National Security.

[JEDJR]

Dont get me wrong, I think Bush will win fairly easy, but with the amount of money Bush is spending, I feel for the president that succeeds him.

[phoneman]

As a union electrician, i am in a weird position. President Bush has been pretty bad in the labor department, but i believe he has done an awesome job on stifling gun control and on the war in iraq. I have to decide what is more important, my job or my hunting so i have to side with my job. This also the same reason i voted for our anti-gun governor Rod Blagojevich. i just wish pres. Bush cared more about blue-collar workers like myself.
Phoneman

[Brian Bowers]

I always fail the test of not talking about politics and religion!!...I get baited in every time.
1. If you like freedom, guns, keeping your money, strong military... You vote republican no other answer!!
2. The US is no longer a manufacturing economy...get used to it...deal with it. Unless the UNIONS want to start cutting new contracts for 27 cents per hour.....mfg. jobs will continue to go overseas. I am sorry but that is reality.
3. The avg. unemployment rate through the 90's was 5.8%. Right now it is at 5.6%...How is it that we lost so many jobs? We didnt! People adapted and moved on to different things.

[Bloomhuff]

as a fairly young man (29) i have passed on a couple of occasions to vote. i will not make that mistake again this election year. george w will get my vote.

[Brittany Sorensen]

Hey you all...I am not old enough to vote but I am not uneducated enough to not know the difference between someone that will keep our gun rights and some dork that will come in and say he is only trying to control the bad things that happen with guns. What would have happened during 9/11 if Gore was in there???? Do you think he would have been near as affective as Bush? Look over the internet people! Go to google and type in gun control...you should find an article on there that shows how Gore would have tried all he could to strip us of our guns in the four years he had control. Bush has not only kept our gun-rights but has also handled 9/11 accordingly. I am only 15, but no one out there can convince me to drop my hunting heritage. <Brit>

[Scott Turpen]

During the '96 campaign the Democrats claimed the unemployment rate was low at 5.6% and now they say 5.6% high whats the deal? Thats been one of their points in their campiagn. Funny how the left side turns things around. Also in the next 5 years cheif justices will be appointed and they will be deciding pionts like same sex marriage, the Pledge of Allegence and other important decisions that will affect our society. Think about which man you want in there and where you want this country to head as far as morality. I for one don't want my kids taugth in school that a same sex marriage is normal because it ISN"T. As far as the economy goes if you look at history it has an ebb and flow no one person can control it. It just so happens that whoever is in office gets credit. When that clinton man took office they claimed the economy was in a slump but it wasn't in fact in was in the 2nd year of growth. Then go forward to 9/11. Now after 3 years our economy is on the up swing. In the 3rd quarter there was an unprecedented 8% growth and in the most recent there was a 4% growth. And who will get credit. The President does not control the economy he may do things to jump start it like tax cuts. But I've heard that idf Kerry gets in office all those tax cuts are gone. We need a leader who doesn't ask permission to defend us.
Hunter Chic its good to see the younger generation is paying attention.

[phoneman]

You guys all make very good points, my vote will still be for Mr. Kerry. Bush has been trying since he was inaugurated to either eliminate or set back the wages and benefits that union brothers and sisters went on strike for in '68. One bill he wanted passed would allow companies to force their employees to work 10 hours of overtiome per week at the regular time pay-rate. Overtime accounts for about 40% of my wages so I can't handle that bill. Do i think the dems are going to take our guns, no. do i think they are going to try, yes. That is why it is more important than ever to become a member of the NRA if you are not already. believe me, hunter chic, my hunting heritage is very important too, and I will not give it up, but a non-union electrician's wage of $12/hr will not allow me to pay my bills let alone go hunting.
Phoneman

[Stoegerman]

Phone,
Unions are part of the problem. Look into how many thousands of dollars an automobile would cost, if Unions were not involved. Here's one for ya. How much lower would our phone bills be if we could have a fully automated operator system, but didn't a union fight against that one.

Public School Teachers are union aren't they?

[phoneman]

stoeger,
taht's what we have to fight every day. Unons are not about wage, they are about employee rights. As far as a fully automated operator system, they have tried that, but customers prefer speaking to a live voice. To say unions are a problem is ridiculous.
Phoneman

[Stoegerman]

Employee rights my @@@. Maybe back in the early 1900's. Today it is about the almighty dollar and not being personally responsible for your actions. Heck it is almost impossible to fire a teamster, even if he is drinking on the job.

[phoneman]

stoeger,
in my experience from being a shop steward for three years is, the people who complain about unions are people who either
a: work in a non-union shop and therefore get paid about 1/3 of what a union member hets paid
b: management of a union shop (don't get me started on that)
or c: people who were kicked out of a union for going against another member or the bargaining agreement.
i recommend you think about what you are saying before you start criticizing unions.
phoneman

[Stoegerman]

None of the above,
I used to fish three times a week with a teamster Union Steward at UPS. Had to listen to him complain that Fedex drivers get radios and air conditioning. He made over three times the money and benefits. Also worked on a Haz waste site, where I had a complaint waged against me because I plugged up an extension cord(Cost company $100.00, since I was not an Union Electrician). That was still cheaper than waiting for one to show up.

I have seen more than these examples, I just think you union guys loose site that in business the ultimate goal is to make money. Yall gripe about some of the most trivial things in today's work place. If your worried about safety call OSHA, if your worried about improper pay wages, call your local labor board. Here is a thought, quit the job, I am sure that there are willing people to apply. You do have a choice in where you work.

[phoneman]

stoeger,
out of respect for tom and the others who run this sight, I will try and keep this respectful.
that car that you drive- union made with pride
the house/trailer you live in- union made with pride
the road that your house/trailer is on- union paved with pride
those are just a few examples, sure my company could go out and hire anybody to install and maintain telephone cable, but my company's #1 priority, the customer would suffer.
If you are so against a blue-collar worker joining a union to protect himself , his family, and his livelihood, try going one day without using or buying something that is union produced or maintained, you could not do it. There are some bad aspects to a union, yes, but the greater good of a good wage, benefits and employment security overpower the problems.
As far as you plugging in an extension cord at a job site, you are lucky all it cost you/your company was $100.
Before you start bashing an important part of the industrial history of this country, do your research, ask a union member why he/she is in a union then form an educated opinion.
thanks for the laugh,
phoneman

[phoneman]

stoeger,the SCAB,
out of respect for tom and the others who run this sight, I will try and keep this respectful.
that car that you drive- union made with pride
the house/trailer you live in- union made with pride
the road that your house/trailer is on- union paved with pride
those are just a few examples, sure my company could go out and hire anybody to install and maintain telephone cable, but my company's #1 priority, the customer would suffer.
If you are so against a blue-collar worker joining a union to protect himself , his family, and his livelihood, try going one day without using or buying something that is union produced or maintained, you could not do it. There are some bad aspects to a union, yes, but the greater good of a good wage, benefits and employment security overpower the problems.
As far as you plugging in an extension cord at a job site, you are lucky all it cost you/your company was $100.
Before you start flapping your SCAB mouth, do your research, ask a union member why he/she is in a union then form an educated opinion.
thanks for the laugh,
phoneman

[Stoegerman]

First off, Is Scab is the best you can do.

Second, Your right I should ask a person why they joined a Union. So I did, Two Bell South phone repair techs answered with WE HAD TOO.
I wish that I could start an Union. I would have everyone paying me weekly to make sure they had a job. Even the ones that really didn't need to pay because they work hard enough that their efforts are acknowledged by management.

Asked a Delta pilot, why he joined a Union. His response is so I only have to work 40 hours a month.

Your right in the fact that we once needed Unions, but wasn't that in the late 1800's and early 1900's. This is the year 2004. Come On.

Unions are a big reason that cars have become so expensive.

You miss one important point in my previous email, that you do have a choice these days in your place of employment. There are no huge company owned settlements or company owned stores. Your no longer paid in script.

Let me ask you a question, "Do you like to save money?" I bet the answer is yes. You know what gives you the ability to save money: COMPETITION! Something that Unions are against.

I grew up in a family of Pro - Union members. Grandfather = Union Brick Layer = Retired with no retirement benefits, couldn't physically do the work for two more years to do the work. He paid his dues to the Union though.

Other Grandfather = Teamster = Lost house and wife, supporting the Union Strike. I guess that the Strike Wages that he was getting from the Union after all those years of paying his dues wasn't enough to save the house.

I am not upset that you called me a Scab, Surprised, but not upset. I know that union stuff gets to your head. So I willing to debate with you toe to toe on this. I feel just strongly about my side as you do yours. That's America for you.

[buckduck]

I always made my living from union work.I believe in unions.However there are other things I believe in even more than unions . Besides I never did like anyone telling me how I had to vote. Unions set on there hands and let things slip away and it was both partys that took it.Not just one.Both partys passed NAFTA and it is a done deal .No need crying over spilt milk.
Without the safty of our nation nothing else matters. Bush and his team has done a great job of protecting us."If it`s not broke don`t fix it" so it will be Bush all the way. Your job won`t mean a thing if you have to be somewhere with a rifle in your hands protecting your nation and your family.

[phoneman]

stoeger,
that is a good arguement, I apologize for the harsh words up there, you did not deserve that. Let's just let this go and agree to disagree. There are good arguements for and against and there are always going to be people on both sides. I hope you accept my apology. Take care and good hunting.
Phoneman

[Stoegerman]

I accept the apology. No harm, no foul. We just follow different drummers. I accept that, I knew during this whole conversation that I was not going to change your views nor you mine.

[phoneman]

you guys are correct, we have to remember the common bond that we all have, we love killing geese! and not let political views get in the way of sharing tips tricks and info.
take care,
phoneman

[ganderlander]

Phone, Employee rights! Are you serious? Your two basic rights as an employee who is unhappy with his job are: quit or get over it! Unions are for the lazy and unwilling. They had there purpose 100 years ago but not any more. Join the 21st century phone. Voting Democrat is a vote for gun control. Pull yourself up by your boot straps and take care of your own business unstead of asking a union to do it for you. Get real!

[ganderlander]

Please accept my apology as well, I too can agree to disagree. And looking back at my post, what an awful first post it was!

[drakemallard72]

Unions are not for the lazy and unwilling as previously stated. Here, is one union that is neither lazy or unwilling, IAFF. I think President Bush has done an adequate job as our leader, but I will be voting for Senator Kerry. By the way, Mr. Kerry is also a hunter. If you dont believe me. go to www.firefightersforkerry.com (http://www.firefightersforkerry.com) and look in the picture gallery.

[Travis Mueller]

Well I'm glad you guy's asked. Generally I like to use mainly full bodies. But when it gets cold I try and mix things up a bit with a lot of sleeper shells, and a ton of active feeders. These are two things that have helped me in the future. Some very aggressive calling also helps as it is geese being very territorial. Please reread what Mr. Benson said, and save this for the coffee shop.