Hunting Canada But Rude Americans

[Bryan Pate]

Need some input from other hunters.Please dont take this thread the wrong way.I just got back from a week long hunting trip from Canada.I had a great time saw tons of ducks and geese.The only complant I had was the HUNTING ETHICS OF SOME RUDE AMERICANS.We were suppost to hunt a couple of different fields and slous.We go to set up and people are already their.We ask If they had permission and they said yes.We had asked the farmer the night before and he said we could hunt.And nobody else had permission.I am mad cause when we asked If the Rude Hunters had permission they Lied then started cussing us.Their is no excuse for this.And hunters are wanting to know why the Outfitters in Canada want to stop Americans from freelanceing.Their are alot of good hunters in this sport.But I can tell you one thing It will be law If people continue to act this way. to however the guys were who lied and shot the roost Thanks Alot.I would also like to say it only takes one bad hunter to ruin what 100,000 good hunters have done right.

[Kris Kostival]

Bryan,

We ran into the same situation on two separate occassions. The landowners are great about granting permission....you just have to be the first to ask....plain and simple! We ran into a couple of American guides that seemed very nervous when we were talking with them about permission!?

We had a couple of foggy days that seemed to put a lock down on the geese for a few days. Ducks still moved okay. Didn't shoot nearly as many Canadas as we would have like. Did luck out with a banded mallard drake and a snow goose about 1/2 hr. a part.

[Bryan Pate]

Kris their is no excuse for the way these guys act. They are going to ruin it for us americans to hunt Canada. My sisterinlaw is from Sask and her cousin is an outfitter their. It is not fair how these butheads treat them as they are dumb as a rock. It makes me mad as hell to work hard for a chance to hunt and for people to ruin it.

[Mark Brendemuehl]

Bryan- the same thing happened to us... only it was an outfitter from CANADA that did it. We had no idea until we went back and thanked the family that let us hunt and offered them some geese. They asked how the hunt went, and we replied other than a little confusion on who had permission it was fine.... they stated flat out that they DENIED the outfitter, as they didnt mind hunters at all, but did mind someone making money from their land when it wasnt them. Same story played to a different tune. I hope you guys still got some birds!
Mark

[Rob Jepson]

Bryan...be careful when you paint with such a broad brush. As Mark's post points out, ignorance knows no nationality.

Rob Jepson
Avery Territory Manager

[David Carrington]

Just like Marks experience, this was the same scenario that happened to us two years ago in Manitoba. An outfitter had put some clients out and we just figured we were at the wrong place until we talked to the landowner later that day.
I don't think ignorance was involved at all; it was defiantly done on purpose!
Don’t think American’s have a monopoly on rudeness!

[Kris Kostival]

Yea, we also had a Canadian guide squat on a field we had exclusive permission on....hard not to start driving over their dekes. A respected veteran guide from the area told us some horror stories of American/Canadian guides abusing the landowners generousity.

[Brad Dean]

There are people everywhere that will ruin things for everyone. We had a big argument with some Americans a couple of years ago. We had permission and were in the field first. Then two trucks showed up. They claimed to have permission and tried to lie to us and say the land was sold to someone else, so we therefore asked the wrong person. They were a bit suprised to find out that we lived there and the lie didn't have much effect. After being sworn at for 10 minutes we decided to leave. Its too bad. I know there are people around here who have lifelong friendships with Americans, but there are some who can't stand them because of a few run ins with some deadheads. We actually ended up in the same field with some Americans the other weekend, great guys, we shared the field and had a great time. The dumbies should just stay at home and not bother the rest of us who respect the sport and the relations between the two countries.

[Bryan Pate]

Mark I understand what you are talking about.I know that it is not just Americans. It is the rudeness of the hunters period. I did not want to affend antone what i"m getting at is that their are alot of hunters Period dont care who they affend. Hope all you guys have a good season.

[Mike Hungle]

As I can see it, the point to this thread is that our actions will impact the opinions and future hunts of others. Whether hunting a home area, a distant area or another country, we as hunters need to act responsibly and professionally. We need to ask permission, respect others who have gained permission before us, obey rules, stay within limits and ensure no game birds or game animals go to waste. The actions mentioned here have offended hard-core hunters. Just think what impact such events would have on young hunters, new comers to the sport and landowners.

My dad instilled in me many years ago that a real hunter is a true sportsman.

[Kris Kostival]

Summarized nicely Mike.

[KEN]

We had a similar experience with a local guide when up in Sask.

We had permission to hunt a pothole with lots of geese on it.We decided to hunt the field they were using instead of the pothole.

We sat and watched them go out to feed and went to the pothole to make sure they went back there.Lo and behold a Sask guide had put 3 of his clients around the pothole to shoot the snows when they came back.

We went and talked to the farmer and he said the guide had called and the farmer had said absolutely no.

So the farmer went down to the pothole and told them to take a hike.

His exact words were..."that guide has the morals of a polecat."

[Bryan Pate]

Guys i am glad to see everyones opinion mike hit the nail on the head.

[imported_Derek Rambo]

Nice post Mike...what you said is exactly right.
The scary part is that the more people I meet out in the field or at the local coffee shops after hunts, the more I realize the "ethics " and "sportsmen" part of it was lost somewhere.
As hunters it's our responsibility, like Mike said, to uphold these values in the highest reguard. If we do not do it, than the non- hunting world will have us all pinned as just "killers who love guns" and we will lose this God given and precious gift of hunting all together!

[Dave Weidner]

Signed permission slips! I make certain that in the glorious State of New Jersey - where rude hunters can never be found, that I have signed permission slips from each of my farmers. That way there is NO mistaking who has permission - Cant believe I'm comparing Canada to NJ, but I believe that permission slips might help at least partially relieve confusion in the field.

Dave

[Wood Duck Wizard]

The permission slip is the way to go and it really stops all the BS in the fields in the mornings !!