Avery Mojo Decoy?

[headhunter]

Have you guys ever thought about making one ?

[Sun Drop]

god I hope not.....hopefully the things will be illegal soon.....

[Scott Moates]

NO! We will let MOJO handle that.

[duckboy1]

i cant see why anybody would want to use one of thsoe things anymore.

[Weatherby]

i cant see why anybody would want to use one of thsoe things anymore.

uhh because they work?

[Joe Fladeland]

I've seen what this can turn into... Now that the question has been answered let's just move on....The topic of whether or not to use one of these can be discussed forever.

[Dux r me]

here we go

[The Big Gumbo]

With the realism of Greenhead Gear decoys why would one need a spinner, I'm sure that all their pro staff don't require a spinner to take limits with the gear they represent and don't use them especially when hunting up north in the early part of the season when ducks are young and naive. We hunting professionals in Ark can kill over a hundred ducks in a so so year even after they done graduated from Spinner U. Spinners are for the weak duck hunter, another crutch that one must lean on to hide his own flaws instead of learning what it takes to be a great duck hunter not another run of the mill topwater that thinks the lastest and greastest gear will fill their limits.

Get off the teet and learn how to hunt. Just my opinion, I don't represent nothing.

[Tom Matthews]

Tracy, tell us how you really feel...and don't hold back this time!

I posted the answer below on another thread by the same name. It is my personal feeling and does not "necessarily" represent the opinions of all Avery employees. It is, however, our company philosophy about spinning wing decoys:

The truth of the matter is that Avery's management is openly against the use of spinning wing decoys or "flash ducks" of any kind. This does not mean that some of us do not use them because several still do from time to time as they are legal in most states. My personal opinion is that the spinning wing decoy has been the single most devastating "unnatural" setback to duck populations since market hunting. I believe the Feds know this, but the commercial pressure has been so intense that they have left it up to each state to decide. I think this is the best thing for sure because we do not want the Feds making decisions like this. I also believe that eventually we will see these things outlawed, and we will all look back and realize what an affect they had. This is what I hope anyway. Look, I shot as many ducks over them as anyone when they came out so I am not saying anything other than Avery decided several years ago not to promote the use of spinning wing decoys in any form or fashion. For that reason, we have not considered making one since a very brief discussion in 2002.

Thanks,

Tom
(Activist?)

[Jeremy Kriese]

I dont think they will ever be outlawed in most states due to the fact that for most hunting they are loosing their effectivness. This year we had to pull them while hunting on water. The birds wouldnt even give us a look while we had one out. They would still pour into them in the fields however. We expiremneted this fall with them and killed plenty of ducks with and without them but definatly more without them on the water. I still like using them in fields but I wouldnt be upset if they did outlaw them. As long as you have a good field good calling and a good decoy spread they will come with or without one.

[The Big Gumbo]

Tom, wasn't it like over 200 spinner type devices at Shot this year. Pathetic.

If Ark can ban um why can't anyone else get the cahones to. Ark also restricts mallard hens to one instead of two. Whether that works or not is up to debate but we're trying to be part of the solution not the problem.

Give me my waders, two old wooden calls, a waxed canvas jacket with a pocket full of shells and a A-5 and sz 14 foot. and I'll show how its done. Skellet style!

[Weatherby]

well you ol pros down yonder in the swamp can't use them there nuthing anyways huh :P
well if you look at most people that actually hunt maybe only a few times a year or hunt weekends etc(which is the majority of people that actually work for a living)...should be able to use what ever they can (legal means) to try and get their limit. Hunters are taking a very small percentage of the ducks anyway. I do know some people that hunt them day in and day out can do it without a spinner (in certain parts of the country). to each his own, but until someone tells me they are illegal i will use them.

[The Big Gumbo]

Your momma took your binky from you and you lived.

[Jim Thompson, Jr.]

I know for a fact that they are absolutely devastating in dryland situations .To each his own.

[headhunter]

Looks like Little gumbo needs a slap!

[Scott Moates]

That's right Jim, they are TOO devastating.

[Duster]

Not to take away from the "great spinner debate" but has Avery pondered the thought of making a goose flag??? I've had a couple that were ok but with the proper resources a guy could build on heck of a flag.....just a thought.

[The Big Gumbo]

Head,

Yeah, ok, get in the long line and don't forget a bag of chee-toes to munch on.

[Michael Weiss]

Pop quize........
What percent of North American Waterfowl are effected by hunting?

I want to see the heads roll on those things, but they are my best friend in the corn field.....I cant lie.

So who knows the answer......?

[The Big Gumbo]

10% give or take a percentage or two thats killed by hunting, and that ame from someone thats got a good grasp of it considering he works at a place called Delta Marsh in Canuckland. Introduced him to some Boulivard Ale tap last night.:D

But that doesn not take into effect the juvenile effect and harming of good breeding stock, This is developing and the base consensus is that they needs to go. But money talks, and when Mr. Mojo is on the Lousianna commish they gonna stay legal in places for a while.:p

[Michael Weiss]

Nice try...............

Anyone else?

[The Big Gumbo]

Mike, in recent studies a waterfowl group documented that in many areas in the breeding grounds the hen mortality was what?

A: 5 to 10 percent
B: 11 to 15 percent
C: 16 to 29 percent
D: 30 perceent or higher

[Michael Weiss]

USFW Reported by that only 1% of ALL migrating Waterfowl are effected each year, with .6 error. That is statistical analysis from banding operations, breeding ground surveys and long term and short term avgs. I am not trying to get into a pi$$in' match with ya, really! I am just saying that there are waterfowlers out there who still believe that not killing hens and killing predators will somehow MAGICALLY increase the next years flight, but years of scientific evidence proves otherwise. But of course killing too many young birds due to motion wing decoys can cause a bottle neck effect in the population. That is why it is a very touchy matter for both parties on each side of the fence.

With that said, I want to see the mojo outlawed over water!!!!!

Field hunting on the other hand, the mojos make it sweet.

It was Just a question Big Gumbo.....That's all. I am sorry if it got you worked up, I was not trying to get to you brother.

[The Big Gumbo]

Jim Fisher from Delta gave me that around 10 max limit. He sez nearlyh all involved with research think the things ought to go the way of the DODO bird. It very well be your figure I'll email him and get some clarification, I tried reaching him before he left town but I know that he left town this morning early. He should be happy, a former Razorback great wrote a LARGE check to Delta for the first time. Congrats to him

Delta ain't bad group of folks for Yankees and Canucks, I think they get it.

Oh, And I ain't no where near worked up, not even close, find me after a Houston Nutt called Football game, Thats worked up.

[Ryan Vande Griend]

hmmm....if you want a mojo GHG, then take a fb mallard, cut out bottom and get a pack that you can buy to customize mojos

[NDboy]

Is it just me or does little gummbo need to settle down it was just a question

[Will DeBlois]

Wait...how come all of you ppl that suck up to avery and GHG...and are happy to make a floater or fullbody with motion..but spinners are a problem?...i personally think if we can use fullbodys with motion or calls that sound like ducks or geese...we should be able to use spinners if we want....i like what Weatherby said..for us that can only hunt certain amount of day cus of school or work..we will try some stuff to shoot our limit

[Dux r me]

i agree with oneshot and weatherby not all of us are rich and can have prime spots or 50 dozen decoys or hunt a hundred times a year we have school and work and we need anything that can help us to have a good day.

[headhunter]

Mojos dont cost very much so dont call us rich guys we work for a living to and have you ever heard of college!

[5tolen in N.Z]

Think you guys should settle down a touch, in my opinion spinning wing decoys are ok, they are a tool, just like a good call or Avery Decoy, they all help add to the bag in some why. what difference is there if you shoot your LIMIT in 1 hour with the help of a spinning decoy of 3 hours without one?

[headhunter]

Do you notice how I asked the ?.

I SAID!
Have you EVER!!!!! thought about making a mojo?
Not will you be making a mojo!!!
I never said anything about getting one or having one!

[The Big Gumbo]

Is it just me or does little gummbo need to settle down it was just a question

What does ND stand for NO DICK, Anyway, You want to start the cutsie, lets make fun of his handle game, lets have a blast. Again I ain;t stirred up, if I struck a nerve I musta have hit too close to home. Its a shame that an Avery Pro staffer uses spinners, I hate seeing professionals touting their products but rely on a spinner to kill, it takes away from THEIR products, how do you know the call works wonders with spinners in the background, its a shame that some hunt tamies even in Ark. Nice thing about all of this if and when you see a show fimled in Ark, it was spinner free. Come down some time and get to the woods in the pitch balck of a cold Jan morning in waistdeep water, hug a tree and kick the water to simulate a lighting duck in the timber, here twigs break, and stand there with them so close you could reach out and grab one, thats magic. One duck in the timber is better than a limit in a field surrounded by spinners.

I suspect the reason there is not a GHG spinner is that the market is flooded with them already, and when the spinner magic happened they weren't in the bidness of decoys yet.

[Chris Holleger]

This is a very heated subject. I myself have a mojo decoy but never use it. As far as GHG making one, there is no need to IMO. With the fullbody decoys and shells that GHG has come out with, and the realism that comes with these decoys I think theres no reason to make them. Leave it up to some other company to make them.

Chris

[Michael Weiss]

Big Gumbo,

I don't think I am the only Pro-Staffer to use them in the field. We DO NOT use them when hunting water. There is going to come a day where they are outlawed in areas, and I want to be as well equiped as I can if I can't use one, and I don't think there is a Pro-Staffer who does not agree with me. As Pro-Staffers, we all believe in ethical, fair chase hunting 100%!!!!! Everyone has the access to the absolute best decoys on the market....GHG!! However, when I goose hunt I still use a flag.....is that cheating?

Also, where is all of this coming from? This is a good MB forum, there is no need to get mad and upset (I can tell from the tone in your writting). Relax, the question was answered, I asked a question that just happened to come to mind after talking to a world renowned waterfowl ecologist, and just thought maybe someone else knew the answer to.....thats all.

So, with that said, I want to tell everyone sorry if I said something to keep all of this going. I will try to dig up some pics of non-mojo hunting. Take care everyone.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/913/averyprostaffpics0173xv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[The Big Gumbo]

Gee Wiz, I guess we're all headshrinkers here, Theres no tone, trust me I know when i'm mad and it ain't now, I'm blunt and matter of fact sometimes but I ain't mad or angry trust me, thats when my three year old spills black paint all over the floor.:D I speak my mind and its raw and it may get undr somes skin, buts not my concern. I think Avery should make their stuff anywhere but China, but my favorite jacket was made Vietnam so I'm lighen up on that but I do try to grab the American alternative when availible if its of high quality, even if its priced higher. But thats got nothing to do with Spinners does it.;) Hell, why were at it why don't we petition for the use of live decoys again. bring back the punt gun for those of us that don't have much time so we can get our limits quickly after work or school, Hell I lived forthe mad dash to get in the woods in high School and I had to drive 30 miles for nearest opportunity. Hunting is about the pursuit, the outwitting, the learning of behavior of our feathered adversaries, we use decoys as a traditional lure, just as the Indians did before us, thats why I said its reinventing the wheel. Thats why some only bow hunt, its harder, its the challenge and the reward that makes it so intoxicating. But the spinner is a sad commentay of our society as a whole, get more quicker easier even at higher expense mentality thats ruining the roots of our traditions. People ought to work to harvast a creature of God, they in the end appreciate it more, I bet that a good many that duck hunt don't even eat them, but dispose of them quietly. Hunting shouldn't be be as easy as going to the butcher shop and saying i'll take three ribeyes, its cheapens it and disgraces the tradition I hold dear just like the way my family has done it for generations. Newer and more effective is not always better. SO, please stop telling me how i'm feeling, I feel great, great things are happening in life, I'm not in the least bit angry and hostile, some of ya'll are just too wound up tight.:p

And Tom, tell the Chairman I said hello. And that he can go to Hell, no worse, Mississippi:p

[The Big Gumbo]

Mike, you seem angry in that picture, lighen up:)

[JD Ourada]

I think that some of us know that in at least the early season they work and even into the late season they can too. But with that said how is AVERY going to field test other duck decoys while using a mojo, which we already know of them working in the spread. Who knows if the duck is going into the mojo or the decoys. More than likely its a combination of both but we won't know exactly so it would be a waste of time and if you make something you are going to want to field test it to see how long it will last and see what you need to change on it. I firmly believe in the earlier season like in november and beginning of december. When the northern ducks are normally getting here you can leave them running all the time. But if the ducks arn't responding well just get there attention then turn them off. Kinda like double cluckin on a goose call its an attention getter. Juest my two cents worth. I know probably no one will agree with me but hey I tried

[NDboy]

Big Gummbo have you ever seen a hunting movie everybody uses spinners and as for your southern money helping out the ducks up here how much have you given to DU or Delta waterfowl. And its not just money i give my time go out and help set up hen houses and help them with there banquits

[The Big Gumbo]

Plenty, trust me.

Sad, isn't it, everything your see on tv they are all using mojos. Here we all are supposed to be in awe of their mastery of waterfowl and buy the products that they are pushing all the while the success they may be having is is due in large part to a spinner. Thats why I don't buy the videos or watch the shows. I've got all the footage I ever need right here in my noggin. I got plenty of of close ups and feathers floating in the air that I caused, I don't need to experience duck hunting from a video and hoping that I might get a shoot like that one day 'cept you can't edit real hunts. If you have to watch guys hunting over spinners to feel the excitement of hunting well I don't know what to say. I've killed thousands of ducks and can damn near tell an accounting of each and every one.

Infomercials, how sad is it that the single biggest promotion of our sport is gloried infomercials. :rolleyes: I damn sure ain't going to pay 15 bucks to watch a guy shoot a snake, Ive done that already ,several hundred times. I can't acount for most of them I was just killin for the sake of killing :eek:

[NDboy]

I dont have a spinner so im just saying that is he just asked if they ever though of making one its not something to flip out about. And i have had many hunts like movies so just shut up a bout that can you say 35 canadas in 45 min.

[6drakes]

A spinner is just a tool, just like a call,flag or decoys. If you don't know how to use them they will screw up your hunt more often than it wil help you. 10 years ago when they first came out maybe they helped but the birds are conditioned to them now and in most cases shy from them unless you know how to use them. But just like a duck call mst hunters don't know how to use them properly so they basically have no impact. If they did have an impact they would be banned everywhere period. The only reason AR bannend them is cause all the whinny babies have been crying that they are not getting enough ducks so they want to blame something. First they blamed the Northern states for short stopping and that wouldn't hold water so they blame no till farming but they can never stop that so then they turn their blame on spinners. Never mind the fact that AR has three times the number of hunters that they had 10 years ago and they still kill as many ducks. Its just that they are arrogant and greedy and want all the ducks for themselves, and they are not smart enough to realize that drought in the prarie pothole region and massive loss of habitat in the breeding grounds are the cause of low duck numbers not spinners. That and the fact that there has been no cold weather or snow to speak of in the northern states in the last three years to move the birds south. Why would they want to fly down to hillbilly land and live in a bunch of trees when they can have 50 degrees and a corn smorgasboard right here in the good old midwest. For the record yes I can shoot ducks any day without a spinner but for certian applications I exercise my legal right to utilize a spinner. Not to mention that in certian hunting circumstances spinners do result in fewer hens killed and less cripples.

[Cut em]

"However, when I goose hunt I still use a flag.....is that cheating? " -Micheal Weiss


not tryin to single you out but this argument is so overplayed and so far off the mark it's not even funny anymore. C'mon you're the pro staffer, you can't realize the difference between you waving a flag at birds and a robot spinning it's electronic wings controlled by remote control? Man vrs machine? Compare robos to e-callers if you want to draw comparisons betwwen possible tools you think hunters should be using. Compare apples to apples, it's clear there's already a precident set for electronic means, unfair chase. It's been that way for decades.

"A spinner is just a tool, just like a call,flag or decoys." -6drakes

Maybe if you plugged your call, flag or decoys in and let electricity do it for you. Otherwise it's not a tool LIKE the things you mentioned, it's a tool LIKE an e-caller and they're outlawed. We still have our guns and our right to hunt.

[6drakes]

cut em,

what about wind activated spinners. For that matter what about decoy hearts, quivver magnets, bobble butts, mallard machines and all the other motorized decoys that guys use that do not have "flashing wings" they are run with electricity. Its funny too that now that spinners are banned in AR all thesy guys from AR talk crap about how good of hunters they are yet previous to this year, every year that I've hunted in stuggart the last 7 years you couldn't drive by a rice field without seeing spinners everywhere, and boating through the timber you could go blind from all the flash. Obviously the guys from AR didn't mind spinners when they could use them. They are just sour cause they spent what little money their economy could afford them on abunch of spinners that are worthless to them now.

[Dux r me]

i said my oppinion but lets just let this die

[headhunter]

What about the wind driven ones Cut em they have flashing wing so should those be banned!

[Cut em]

"The truth of the matter is that Avery's management is openly against the use of spinning wing decoys or "flash ducks" of any kind. This does not mean that some of us do not use them because several still do from time to time as they are legal in most states. My personal opinion is that the spinning wing decoy has been the single most devastating "unnatural" setback to duck populations since market hunting. I believe the Feds know this, but the commercial pressure has been so intense that they have left it up to each state to decide. I think this is the best thing for sure because we do not want the Feds making decisions like this. I also believe that eventually we will see these things outlawed, and we will all look back and realize what an affect they had. This is what I hope anyway. Look, I shot as many ducks over them as anyone when they came out so I am not saying anything other than Avery decided several years ago not to promote the use of spinning wing decoys in any form or fashion. For that reason, we have not considered making one since a very brief discussion in 2002." -Tom Matthews


Awesome!!! :)

[headhunter]

Ok lets end the battle now!

[Joe Fladeland]

I agree with my fellow North Dakotan. Let's give it up. We don't need this on the MB.

[Phinkie]

I dunno , this season they worked great for me , both on and off the water , i think its mostly about the location and how you set your decs.

[Will DeBlois]

I personally think...that if it's not neccasary for GHG to make a mojo decoys because killing ducks over them isn't right...then how is full body duck decoys with motion bases or goose decoys wiht motion bases anyway. They are not electronical, but lets be real.....they are made to move, and very easily. So, if it's a good thing to make them, why not make a mojo....or like an air lucky?

[Ryan Kleinschmidt]

I think its time to chime in and give one mans opinion. I am a FIRM believer in banning ALL electrical spinners, decoys, calls, ect...... It's just not ethical to me. Now, I don't have a problem with the standard and custom decoys (which we have used since the begining), calls, flags, wing wavers, jerk cords, and anything that is man operated. Just like I have no problem with the cardboard deer decoy with a jerk cord operated tail and head my grandfather created 20 years ago. I feel it's part of the evolution of the sport (manually). Lets leave the electricty at home where it belongs. If your talented or smart enough to create a product that gives you that extra edge in FAIR pursuit, more power to ya. If someone else created for ya and your talented enough to operate it successfully, again, more power to ya. I for one am just tired of the whole spinner debate. If they are legal, people will use them. There is no way around it other than a nation wide ban and I don't think we will see it anytime soon. I guess time will tell.

[The Big Gumbo]

I dunno , this season they worked great for me , both on and off the water , i think its mostly about the location and how you set your decs.

If its about location and decoy set up, why the spinner? Ah, its all mental now, MUST HAVE SPINNER, LEAVE SPINNER HOME DOES NOT COMPUTE, your noggin tells you over and over, like a smoker craving another cigarette for no apparent reason. Like me drinking another Dr. Pepper for no apparent reason. Just can't imagine life without it:D

Actually, this has been a pretty good spread, like friends talking about politics, everyone gets heated but in the end they get their points in and sooner or later they give pause and think about whats been said and take something positive out of it. My gosh, its the end of feb, most of us are bored stiff. This is a good outlet, just don't get your feelings hurt.

[Jeff House]

The Big Gumbo!! Where have you been??? Yup, that's right...hunting season IS over with isn't it? It's a shame that these guys don't know you like some of us do..... Stay with it man...Don't let up for nothin'!

Frog Giggin' and Running Limb Lines...nothin' better!


Avery Pro-Staff
Zink Calls

[Josh Brugmans]

So how did everyone enjoy the Olympics? What was your favourite event.

[Ryan Vande Griend]

i liked watching Canada loose in Hockey for once!!! lol

[Josh Brugmans]

LOL they only lost once. The womens team did well. It was supposed to be a USA vs Canada gold medal match, but both the mens teams did horrible.

[Duster]

I like the luge, those yahoo's are nuts!!! 85 mph and just a helmet! I found it interesting that their body suits have pockets in the butt and back for lead so that they can weight themselves to go faster....interesting.

[Joe Fladeland]

gotta love those ski jumpers soaring through the air, flying the length of over a football field. I can't imagine what it would be like to see that in real life.

[Michael Weiss]

Man....I don't know about going "junk" first at 80+ mph down a ice slide. They must be pretty confident.

Pockets........for real? Thats a neat little tid bit....never would have thought.

[The Big Gumbo]

[QUOTE=Jeff House]

Frog Giggin' and Running Limb Lines...nothin' better!


Avery Pro-Staff
Zink Calls[/QUOTE

All my ditches are dry and Beaver Lake ain't shiite for cats, gots me a day on the sippi lined up for mid march. When it comes to fishing I think all things electrical is illegal:D :D

Thinking bout tagging along Sat nite on a coon hunt and watch my father in law's walker work.

[The Big Gumbo]

So how did everyone enjoy the Olympics? What was your favourite event.

You can't be serious, right, Idol was on:p

[Josh Brugmans]

Man no I did not catch American Idol, I was busy watching Baby Stories. LOL

[Joe Fladeland]

Now we got ourselves an interesting topic, haha enough of this deep discussion about something that has impacted the way most people hunt.