Ground Force Quality

[birdhunter50613]

When the Ground Force first came out. I was very excited to purchase one. What a disappointment this blind has been. I went back to using my Finisher over this Ground Force. The problem that I am having with it is the design of the door flaps. They just don't function right causing the doors to "stick" open and not want to close all the way. No its not caused by the round plastic discs that adjust door height. Its cause by the swival of the door hinges. In my opinion the doors have a poor and inefficient design causing this problem. I hate to say it.... But this new blind really is a piece of junk. I have renamed mine the Ground Farce ! If your in the market for a ground blind and you want an Avery product. Get the Finisher over the GF.

jmo
bird

[Jason Mears]

birdhunter50613,
Welcome to the Avery Message Board!

Im sorry to hear that you are having trouble with your GF. However, have you tried contacting customer service about the issue you are having. Im sure they will be glad to help you with your problem. The Avery CS number is 800-333-5119.

[kyfowlman]

CS will get the problem resolved.

[Travis Mueller]

Al, pm'd ya.

[Nicholas Lisec]

Welcome to the Avery Message Boards!

I would also suggest calling our Customer Service Department, which I would think you would do before going to work of joining the MB and posting about how your product is defective. The CS department should also be able to help you trouble shoot the problem you are having just to make sure everything is correctly assembled.

Thanks for your input and we look forward to hearing some more from you.

Nick

[Jason Zerrer]

The straps on the blind doors need to be tight for them to function properly. I know what you're talking about with the swiveling of the hinges, snugging the strap should fix it, at least it did for mine.

[birdhunter50613]

Tighten.... Loosen.... Still the end result is a poor design of the doors. I have only used this blind 3 or 4 times this season which resulted in frustration and the blind being put aside in the garage to never be used again. Luckly I have a Finisher as a back up which became my primary blind. The Ground Force "could" be a Great blind with some design changes in the worthless door. In my opinion they took a simple task and complicated it with the slide bar/hinge design of the door.

Oh yeah... I forgot to mention the slide bar design to make it possible to fold the blind and/or make the doors rigid. What a joke that one is. No problems when its warm out but God help you sliding the bar up or down when its cold out. I've tried everything there too from cleaning it really good to lubricating the slide bar to even using "Pam" on the slides so the bar will slide.... Still no postive results.

Customer Service... I should get a hold of them so they can tell me to send it back to where I bought it from. I went through this with them on my Finisher when the frame was shipped to me bent. I ended up getting a replacement frame for the Finisher. But not after they sent me the wrong parts the first time around and many frustrating phone calls. Was I happy with Avery's Customer Service.... Not Really as I should not of had a broken frame blind sent to me in the first place. And I had to have Rogers Sporting Goods email a copy of my purchase to them to prove that I bought the blind. Was it fixed ? Yeah sure it was... eventually. But not after being frustrated with delays and many un-necessary phone calls/emails.

As far as I'm concerned. The GF is worthless until the door is "re-designed". I personally don't want anything to do with a blind that is vertically "Useless" for hunting. I will take a Finisher to the field any day over the present design of a Ground Force.

bird

[Jeremy Abbas]

I understand the situation you are having. None of which is quality of the blind, loosening, tightening of straps or the door height adjustment discs. We have put tons of hours of hunting in the GF this year and the situiation you are talking about is all about how the blind is laying on the ground. IF you have the problem you are having move the blind even just 1 foot into a different spot and 9 times out of 10 the doors perform differently. Before brushing my blind during setup I put the blind where I want it, jump in and test the doors and if I'm laying on a hump where it digs into my back I make that adjustment at that time. Try it and I'm sure you will see what I'm talking about.

[younggunz]

I just got one this year and i absolutely love. i have not had any problems with it.

[callemquacktn]

You want to sell that Ground Force Blind?
I might be able to take it off your hands since it is going to set in the garage.

[J Tackett]

Tighten.... Loosen.... Still the end result is a poor design of the doors. I have only used this blind 3 or 4 times this season which resulted in frustration and the blind being put aside in the garage to never be used again. Luckly I have a Finisher as a back up which became my primary blind. The Ground Force "could" be a Great blind with some design changes in the worthless door. In my opinion they took a simple task and complicated it with the slide bar/hinge design of the door.

Oh yeah... I forgot to mention the slide bar design to make it possible to fold the blind and/or make the doors rigid. What a joke that one is. No problems when its warm out but God help you sliding the bar up or down when its cold out. I've tried everything there too from cleaning it really good to lubricating the slide bar to even using "Pam" on the slides so the bar will slide.... Still no postive results.

Customer Service... I should get a hold of them so they can tell me to send it back to where I bought it from. I went through this with them on my Finisher when the frame was shipped to me bent. I ended up getting a replacement frame for the Finisher. But not after they sent me the wrong parts the first time around and many frustrating phone calls. Was I happy with Avery's Customer Service.... Not Really as I should not of had a broken frame blind sent to me in the first place. And I had to have Rogers Sporting Goods email a copy of my purchase to them to prove that I bought the blind. Was it fixed ? Yeah sure it was... eventually. But not after being frustrated with delays and many un-necessary phone calls/emails.

As far as I'm concerned. The GF is worthless until the door is "re-designed". I personally don't want anything to do with a blind that is vertically "Useless" for hunting. I will take a Finisher to the field any day over the present design of a Ground Force.

bird

Nothings perfect chief.....nothin. I appreciate the fact that you don't like the blind. But, take a deep breath...relax and let's get it working so you can get out there and get after it.

I have a whole pile of em' that I use everyday for about 60 days....just vlike everything they take some getting used to. Have you tried tightening the door straps?

It's my favorite blind...is it perfect not even close, but I like it better than anything else out there. Lighten up and let these guys help you.

JT

[Dirt_Bag]

if you do a seach on the problem you will find the answer, third from right above banner ad. there has been many post concerning the doors and the fix for them.

[BDO]

Bird

Send me a PM for what you want to sell it for. I have some GF's already, and am looking at ditchin' my Finishers for GF's.

Oh, what pattern is it?

[Eric Larsgaard]

So what you are saying is that you never called customer service to see if they could trouble shoot your problems.

Please call them and see if they can help. We try to help out with all problems but putting everything down and talking crap about a blind we have sold tons of with out 2% of complaints or problems is not helping solve your problem.

I am not saying there is not a problem with your particular blind but most problems are 95% human error.

Please call them and see if they can help,
Thanks,
Eric

[oscar]

AL,
I had kind of the same trouble with my left hand door at first. Your right the straps did not matter but the one thing I learned is when the door sticks, to readjust the way the entire blind is laying. I found that if the door was sticking the blind was not positioned correctly. I just had to adjust the way it was layed out.

The door slide sticking issue is because it is new. Mine was the same way. It becomes so much easier as it breaks in, you won't belive it!

I had my frustrations in the begining as well but I honestly believe if you hang in there and give it an honest shot you will figure it out and it will become your favorite blind like it did for me. It does take time to get comfortable with but most anything does.

Now I wouldn't trade mine for anything and trust me when I say this because I have either owned or own most of them out there.

Good Luck and if you still are set on not wanting it PM me and we can look at me taking it off your hands.

[birdhunter50613]

Please Gentlemen.... You are not dealing with a young pup here nor an idiot. I am only stating an opinion of a flaw in the design of the blind doors. Should a consumer be satified in knowing that he needs to reposition the blind because of the door problems ? Should a consumer need to constantly screw with straps so the blind doors will function properly ? Sorry but those responses do not cut the mustard. You can be diehard Avery lovers all you want. Myself, I am not loyal to any brand of anything. I purchase what I believe is the best product on the market for the money spent. I currently drive a 05 GMC. Does that mean that I am a GM freak ? Heck no it doesn't. I will drive and own a Ford, Nissan, Toyota or even a Dodge.... well maybe not the Dodge. I will own and shoot a Benelli, Browning, Remingtion, Winchester or even a Mossberg.... sorry joking again... I will not own a Mossberg. My point being this is... I will spend good money for what I believe is the best product out there on the market.

When word came out about the Ground Force. I was looking forward to purchasing one, which I did immediately upon its availability. Now if you are happy with the poor design of the doors. Then that is Your choice. I myself am only pointing out that there has to be a better way to make the door function properly. Its current design is flawed in my opinion.

If you want to buy it..... Make me an offer. I have no need for it as I have no intentions of ever using it again. I will be more than happy to trade it for a Finisher. No Power Hunter offers please. It is Field Khaki in color... mudded up and topped off with Killer Weed. I will remove the Killer Weed to save on shipping cost. You can pick it up in Cedar Falls, Iowa or if you want it shipped... You pay the shipping cost and I will ship it to you.

But please.... Don't insult my intelligence by suggesting that I try this and try that to make it work. Either it works or it doesn't. Which obviously in the case of a GF. There must be a problem with the design when there are so many people making suggestions of how to lay the blind in the field to get the doors to work properly. That right there tells me and the rest of the public that my problem is not all that Uncommon. Why should I or anyone else Work around the problem ? When the correct fix is to find a solution to the design flaw. Hmmmm.... What a novel idea !

Regards
bird

[bps12]

I agree, if you want to get rid aof it i'll buy it.

[Nicholas Lisec]

Al,

I don't think anyone is trying to insult your intelligence. We are just trying to offer you some solutions to your current problem. I know if I were you and I had minimal experience with the GF I would use some of the suggestions (if you haven't already) that have been offered on this board to get your GF to work properly. If your not willing to take another look at the blind, it's obvious to me that you have plenty of buyers out there to take your GF off your hands.

Also, to whoever does buy the blind please let me know how the blind works out for you.

Thanks,

Nick

[TxHonker]

I know mine had some problems with the doors sticking also. It mainly depended on the way it was sitting on the ground. It had to be flat or the doors would stick no matter how the straps were adjusted. The problem was with the door hinges. Where they rotate & the door swings in them they would bind up. With a little "TEXAS ADJUSTMENT" we twisted the end of the blind door frames and it worked great. Everyone needs to calm down a little, all new products sometimes need a little work. Im sure they will solve this problem in next years model, right ??

[quackquackboom]

"With a little "TEXAS ADJUSTMENT"

All this time I thought it was fixed by the boy scouts, lol!

[Barleysoda]

Please Gentlemen.... You are not dealing with a young pup here nor an idiot. I am only stating an opinion of a flaw in the design of the blind doors. Should a consumer be satified in knowing that he needs to reposition the blind because of the door problems ? Should a consumer need to constantly screw with straps so the blind doors will function properly ? Sorry but those responses do not cut the mustard. You can be diehard Avery lovers all you want. Myself, I am not loyal to any brand of anything. I purchase what I believe is the best product on the market for the money spent. I currently drive a 05 GMC. Does that mean that I am a GM freak ? Heck no it doesn't. I will drive and own a Ford, Nissan, Toyota or even a Dodge.... well maybe not the Dodge. I will own and shoot a Benelli, Browning, Remingtion, Winchester or even a Mossberg.... sorry joking again... I will not own a Mossberg. My point being this is... I will spend good money for what I believe is the best product out there on the market.

When word came out about the Ground Force. I was looking forward to purchasing one, which I did immediately upon its availability. Now if you are happy with the poor design of the doors. Then that is Your choice. I myself am only pointing out that there has to be a better way to make the door function properly. Its current design is flawed in my opinion.

If you want to buy it..... Make me an offer. I have no need for it as I have no intentions of ever using it again. I will be more than happy to trade it for a Finisher. No Power Hunter offers please. It is Field Khaki in color... mudded up and topped off with Killer Weed. I will remove the Killer Weed to save on shipping cost. You can pick it up in Cedar Falls, Iowa or if you want it shipped... You pay the shipping cost and I will ship it to you.

But please.... Don't insult my intelligence by suggesting that I try this and try that to make it work. Either it works or it doesn't. Which obviously in the case of a GF. There must be a problem with the design when there are so many people making suggestions of how to lay the blind in the field to get the doors to work properly. That right there tells me and the rest of the public that my problem is not all that Uncommon. Why should I or anyone else Work around the problem ? When the correct fix is to find a solution to the design flaw. Hmmmm.... What a novel idea !

Regards
bird

I have to agree with Bird a little bit on this but I dont think anyone is trying to insult your intelligence...they are only being helpful in my opinion. However for me, the product either works or doesnt when it comes to hunting gear. I just purchased a ground force blind on line and am anxiously awaiting its arrival. Now I am a bit worried. Not just because of Birds opinions of the blind but more because of the responses. I wish I would have heard more responses in the line of "I have never heard of that problem before, maybe yours is defective."
Instead everyone is more or less agreeing that a problem with the doors exist and offer many solutions for over comming the issue. I like to use proven products that are "bullet proof". Nothing is ever perfect. Alot of times comfort is given up for performance in products. My hunting buddies love the power hunter. I wanted a bit more in comfort so I liked the way the ground force looked but in return I am giving up a bit in stealth because comfort alot of times means higher profile.

If these doors require that I must do alot of adjusting out in the field then I might not be happy with it and will probably turn to the power hunter which seems to be a rock solid design by many opinions I have heard and read.

[Rick Frisch]

We have sold thousands of these blinds with very few complaints. You should still feel comfortable with your purchase.

Thanks,

[Derek Rambo]

Awesome "boy scout" comment.......Sean!!

[honker_talk]

the bar that is in the way back of the blind has to be push all the way back as far as it can go. i had the same problem with mine but after i foind out that you have to push thats bar way back it works fine and dandy. I love the blind.

[J Tackett]

Please Gentlemen.... You are not dealing with a young pup here nor an idiot. I am only stating an opinion of a flaw in the design of the blind doors. Should a consumer be satified in knowing that he needs to reposition the blind because of the door problems ? Should a consumer need to constantly screw with straps so the blind doors will function properly ? Sorry but those responses do not cut the mustard. You can be diehard Avery lovers all you want. Myself, I am not loyal to any brand of anything. I purchase what I believe is the best product on the market for the money spent. I currently drive a 05 GMC. Does that mean that I am a GM freak ? Heck no it doesn't. I will drive and own a Ford, Nissan, Toyota or even a Dodge.... well maybe not the Dodge. I will own and shoot a Benelli, Browning, Remingtion, Winchester or even a Mossberg.... sorry joking again... I will not own a Mossberg. My point being this is... I will spend good money for what I believe is the best product out there on the market.

When word came out about the Ground Force. I was looking forward to purchasing one, which I did immediately upon its availability. Now if you are happy with the poor design of the doors. Then that is Your choice. I myself am only pointing out that there has to be a better way to make the door function properly. Its current design is flawed in my opinion.

If you want to buy it..... Make me an offer. I have no need for it as I have no intentions of ever using it again. I will be more than happy to trade it for a Finisher. No Power Hunter offers please. It is Field Khaki in color... mudded up and topped off with Killer Weed. I will remove the Killer Weed to save on shipping cost. You can pick it up in Cedar Falls, Iowa or if you want it shipped... You pay the shipping cost and I will ship it to you.

But please.... Don't insult my intelligence by suggesting that I try this and try that to make it work. Either it works or it doesn't. Which obviously in the case of a GF. There must be a problem with the design when there are so many people making suggestions of how to lay the blind in the field to get the doors to work properly. That right there tells me and the rest of the public that my problem is not all that Uncommon. Why should I or anyone else Work around the problem ? When the correct fix is to find a solution to the design flaw. Hmmmm.... What a novel idea !

Regards
bird

Bird,

Your an angry little fella aren't you? Hey, man I'm not trying to insult your intelligence at all. But, based on on your commentary you might just need a little insulting.

Look pal....you came here wanting some attention. A whole bunch of people listened to it, gave you some attention, and tried to help you. Instead of a thank you, what'd you do...you spit on me and everybody else that tried to help you out.

Sometimes when I turn the key on my outboard it doesn't start, sometimes when I say hold the mustard at Wendy's they leave the mustard on it, and sometimes when I blow my call it squeaks...hell that happens a lot. None the less, I'll still appreciate the fact when people say "sorry" and try to help me.

Pretty much all the really smart guys at Avery work on dog stuff anyway...I would have thought a guy like you would have known that?

I'll buy your blind for $50.00 more than you have in it....just be nice.....what's the address you want the check sent to and how much do I owe you.

Your Pal,

JT

[goosehunter26]

well put JT i have the ground force and doors stick a little bit but with a little fixing to it she will be good as new. just because they stick it well not keep me from hunting out of it for the next 5 days and sticking doors does not keep me for killing brids from the blind. ground force is a great blind and i have hunted from every kind of layout blind out there and every one has there little problems. if you don't want the blind take JT up on his offer.

[birdhunter50613]

Avery® Product Question & Answers (11 Viewing)
As an Avery® customer you continue to serve not only as the end user but also as the key ingredient to our success. We literally get dozens of ideas and suggestions from hunters everywhere that help us improve our product line. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions please feel free to post them on this message board.

Thanks to those who offered suggestions and advice. A special thanks goes to Travis not only for his help but for his generous offer.

Thanks
bird