Square Bottom Bags in Duck Blind Camo?

[svalmand]

Will Avery be making square bottom decoy bags in Duck Blind camo this year?

[Wayne Radcliffe]

They will only be available in Olive Drab this year.

[Scott Moates]

Not this year, maybe in the future.

[Rick Frisch]

Not going to happen probably ever. Printing on that material was tearing up the printing machines. They cost an enormous amount of money to replace. It was down to the point to drop the camo or really raise the price. Is camo on a decoy bag that important?

thanks,

[svalmand]

Camo on the decoy bag is important to me; I plan for as many contingencies as I can and camouflage helps out. There are many instances when a camo decoy bag is pointless, but I am thinking about when it might possibly make a small difference.

Thanks for the info!

[Nevada Jim]

Camo on the decoy bag is important to me; I plan for as many contingencies as I can and camouflage helps out. There are many instances when a camo decoy bag is pointless, but I am thinking about when it might possibly make a small difference. Thanks for the info!

Despite what Rich Frisch says (wasn't that a strange response for an Avery guy ?) ... even camo on the dawg training bumper bag is important to me! Don't let these Avery guys tell you things are not available in "Duck Blind" or that the original "Shadow Grass" pattern isn't available any longer. I just know where to go to get mine when Avery says no. ;)

Check the large kennel cover, bumper bag and 5 gal bucket cover all in "Duck Blind", and a few other items you won't see in the current Avery catalog is Shadow grass.

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[Curt Wilson]

We will still have original Shadow Grass this year. All of our products that will be made in Shadow Grass will be made in the original pattern. I am just curious as to why a camo dog bumper bag is important. Am I missing something there? By the way, that is a pretty neat idea on the blinds. I am sure that you have a specific hunting place for those.

[Nevada Jim]

We will still have original Shadow Grass this year. All of our products that will be made in Shadow Grass will be made in the original pattern. I am just curious as to why a camo dog bumper bag is important. Am I missing something there?

I think so. I think you and Rick may have overlooked the fundamental fact that your Avery customers are usually die hards committed to duck hunting, Retriever training and everything related thereto.

I guess that's probably why your company markets camera bags, neo-tumblers, umbrellas, brief cases, CD holders, flashlight sleeves and a host of other products in a camo finish. So from that perspective and to answer your original question "why a camo dog bumper bag is important" ... because we need and want them and your company invests time and money in filling needs for people like Svalmand and me. ;)

[Rick Frisch]

I am not sure what your agenda is, but I asked a question about camo decoy bags. I did not state a fact. We do have sales figures that point heavily to customers buying the Olive Drab over the Shadow Grass decoy bags. I guess saving money is not important to you.

Most people stuff the decoy bag in the weeds or throw it back in the trailer. Why is camo that important to you?

[Eric Larsgaard]

Where did you get the duck blind camo? You may want to check if they have coated mesh in DB.

Eric

[Nevada Jim]

I am not sure what your agenda is, but I asked a question about camo decoy bags. I did not state a fact. We do have sales figures that point heavily to customers buying the Olive Drab over the Shadow Grass decoy bags. I guess saving money is not important to you.

Most people stuff the decoy bag in the weeds or throw it back in the trailer. Why is camo that important to you?

Rick ... I just happen to find it strange that a Territory Manager for Avery would actually question a customer in a public forum why they NEED an Avery product in camo. Are you suggesting that it is unnecessary or frivolous for one of your customers to have a decoy bag in Camo finish? While you may think that or feel that way, I'm just amazed that you'd say so in print. Are you really asking Svalmand, me and other customers to justify why we need a product in camo finish. I guess you could challenge other Avery customers as to WHY they need a camo umbrella or CD holder, huh ...

Your comment about "saving money is not important to me" is plain silly. Your logic behind that one would suggest that Avery should drop all camo and convert everything to Olive drab.

[Curt Wilson]

That is absolutely not what we are saying. There are just some products that the sales figures just don't justify making in camo.

[Rick Frisch]

Curt,

You are right! I asked the question is camo is really necessary? NJ has a bone to pick with us every time he come on this forum. He is going to spin anything typed into something that it isn't.

[ksgoosekilr]

Great Public Relations coming from the territory manager!!!!!


NOT!!!! Why question customers? I have taken 2 econ. classes (although I didn't do good in either). You make camo stuff that costs more than you can CHARGE more. Shelf appeal is what most guys look for today, what appeals most to them. Not that all this really matters to me but if somebody sees an olive drab bag and a camo bag side by side in the store with a price difference of even $20 or more what do you think we are going to lean towards more. Probably the camo one because it looks "prettier". Why would somebody by GHG when they could buy Carrylite for the same price. SHELF APPEAL (looks) and better decoy. Guess it would make since to me when you could profit more but apparently doesn't to you :p. Just my .02

[QuackerWacker]

Rick some of us use the camo decoy bags for covers for gear and outboard motors and the OD green does not blend in with the fall colors. What about changing the base color from OD to a dead grass tan? IMO this would be a good compromise, not so hard on machinery and still a color that can be used for camo. Just a thought.

[J Kryspin]

Rick some of us use the camo decoy bags for covers for gear and outboard motors and the OD green does not blend in with the fall colors. What about changing the base color from OD to a dead grass tan? IMO this would be a good compromise, not so hard on machinery and still a color that can be used for camo. Just a thought.

I was just getting ready to post this exact thing.

Camo decoy bags are nice doubles as motor covers, covers for push poles, covers for anchor buckets, etc.

[Rick Frisch]

nr,

Why don't you read all of his posts and decide for yourself if he has an agenda against what Avery does.

[Nevada Jim]

nr,

Why don't you read all of his posts and decide for yourself if he has an agenda against what Avery does.

Why don't you accept the fact that it's just plain foolish for any Avery representative to challege WHY any Avery customer needs or wants a product in camo. There's no agenda to that whatsoever.

I fully support withdrawing it from the market if a product can't be produced and or sold at a profit, or not even offering it in the first place if it doesn't make econmomic sense. But I don't support the fact that some of you Avery folks seem to really get off on being challenging and disrespectful to your customers.

[ksgoosekilr]

nr,

Why don't you read all of his posts and decide for yourself if he has an agenda against what Avery does.

Why should it matter if he has an agenda or not. Hes making a suggestion which you guys claim this board is for. Anything wrong with that? Why don't you read EVERY POST you've made on this forum and see if you bitch and cry about everything when somebody makes a suggestion. Thought thats what this section of the forum was for. Go ahead and read the description of the Avery Products and Questions and paste it up because apparently we are missing it. Sounds like a pretty logical question to me.

[ksgoosekilr]

Here I'll even save you the trouble Rick

As an Avery® customer you continue to serve not only as the end user but also as the key ingredient to our success. We literally get dozens of ideas and suggestions from hunters everywhere that help us improve our product line. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions please feel free to post them on this message board.

Am I missing anything here guys or what?

[Nevada Jim]

Here I'll even save you the trouble Rick

As an Avery® customer you continue to serve not only as the end user but also as the key ingredient to our success. We literally get dozens of ideas and suggestions from hunters everywhere that help us improve our product line. If you have any questions, comments, or suggestions please feel free to post them on this message board.

Am I missing anything here guys or what?

Save you breath nr, these forums are NOT intended for criticism ... constructive or otherwise. If you are not a member of the Avery cheerleaders, you will be ridiculed and belittled here by those who think it is a sign of loyalty and dedication to the Avery team to berate customers who disagree with them.

With the exception of few genuine good guys such as Christian Curtis and David Carrington, most of the other Avery folks who post on this particular forum seem to really relish the opportunity of being Avery customer bashers when the customer has a negative observation about a product or the conduct of an Avery rep.

[Rick Frisch]

Wow boys, all I did was asked a simple question as to whether camo was important on a decoy bag. This company feeds and takes care of my family. I guess I am way out of context to want to protect it. Because the company can't speak for itself; it is up to the employees to do it.

Sorry,

[Nevada Jim]

Oh, I forgot to mention that since this topic started with a question about the new "Duck Blind" camo, I thought maybe you'd like to see it in a round dawg bed. ;)

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The dawgs seem to like it too ...

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[Nevada Jim]

Wow boys, all I did was asked a simple question as to whether camo was important on a decoy bag. This company feeds and takes care of my family. I guess I am way out of context to want to protect it. Because the company can't speak for itself; it is up to the employees to do it. Sorry,

Well Rick ... let's go back and review what you've actually said in your efforts "to protect your company" ...

The original very simple question by Svalmand was ... "Will Avery be making square bottom decoy bags in Duck Blind camo this year?"

Your reply to him was ... "Not going to happen probably ever. Printing on that material was tearing up the printing machines. They cost an enormous amount of money to replace. It was down to the point to drop the camo or really raise the price. IS CAMO ON A DECOY BAG THAT IMPORTANT?
(I added the caps for emphasis)

He answered your question ... Camo on the decoy bag IS IMPORTANT TO ME; I plan for as many contingencies as I can and camouflage helps out. There are many instances when a camo decoy bag is pointless, but I am thinking about when it might possibly make a small difference.

Curt Wilson, another Territory Manager, asked this question of me ... "I am just curious as to why a camo dog bumper bag is important. Am I missing something there?"

I replied ... "I think so. I think you and Rick may have overlooked the fundamental fact that your Avery customers are usually die hards committed to duck hunting, Retriever training and everything related thereto.

I guess that's probably why your company markets camera bags, neo-tumblers, umbrellas, brief cases, CD holders, flashlight sleeves and a host of other products in a camo finish. So from that perspective and to answer your original question "why a camo dog bumper bag IS IMPORTANT" ... because we need and want them and your company invests time and money in filling needs for people like Svalmand and me. "

You then go off half cocked and reply ... "I am not sure what your agenda is, but I asked a question about camo decoy bags. I did not state a fact. We do have sales figures that point heavily to customers buying the Olive Drab over the Shadow Grass decoy bags. I guess saving money is not important to you.

Most people stuff the decoy bag in the weeds or throw it back in the trailer. Why is camo that important to you?"

There was NO agenda on my part. That's just your paranoia. Both Svalmand and I had already responded saying that it IS IMPORTANT to us. But you apparently won't accept that and then want to argue that we are wrong or we don't have a right to want camo finish on our hunting or training items. Then you add the utterly dumb comment to an Avery customer saying that saving money isn't important to me. What a foolish thing to say to people who are trying to purchase your company's products.

Next you accuse me of picking a bone every time I come into this website when you stated to "nr" ... "I asked the question is camo is really necessary? NJ has a bone to pick with us every time he come on this forum. He is going to spin anything typed into something that it isn't."

But that wasn't good enough. You needed to take it a step further when "nr" wasn't impressed with your reply and obviously didn't agree with you so then you posted ... "nr, Why don't you read all of his posts and decide for yourself if he has an agenda against what Avery does."

Then you throw yourself on the mercy of the court and post ... "Wow boys, all I did was asked a simple question as to whether camo was important on a decoy bag. This company feeds and takes care of my family. I guess I am way out of context to want to protect it. Because the company can't speak for itself; it is up to the employees to do it. Sorry,"

Why couldn't you, as a Territory Manager, one who's supposed to set an example by performance and conduct, simply have said originally:

"Sorry fellas, "Duck Blind" is not working out well for us at this point and accordingly we don't have near-term plans for decoy bags or other items in that particular product. If things change we'll certainly let you know. And by the way, thanks for asking and for supporting us. It's appreciated."

Wouldn't that been a little more professional and eliminated the need for you to challenge some customers and attack others?

[Rick Frisch]

Are you just trying to "keep it going?"

[J Kryspin]

I think this ultimately boils down to - A lot of people have multiple uses for a camo decoy bag.

[Eric Larsgaard]

I agree also why are we waisting time bickering about nothing.

This subject is dead! All Avery staff please let this die out. Words are to easily misread and all Rick did was ask a question and worded differently then what someones else would have. Nothing more nothing less. End of story!!

Thanks again for every ones support and bring on new questions.

Eric