Hevi metal w/ Flax seeds????

[RedBarren]

Got a box of this today in 12 ga 3" 3's 1500 and opened one of the shells up and on top are flax seeds:confused:.
then looks like hevi shot or Hevi-steel 6's (110 BB) and steel #3 (125 BB) and 55 flax seeds
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7934/1007826.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/i/1007826.jpg/)http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1007826.jpg/1/w2048.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img222/1007826.jpg/1/)

So what? We are are feeding them before we kill them??
or are they thinking "green" bio friendly stuff. Plant as you shoot....

the wads are slit...... so i don't understand how seeds give you a tighter pattern....

And this is what Hevi-Steel looks like...
12 ga. 3" 1 1/8 oz#4's (210bb) 30 plastic bb's and lots of buffer

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6907/1007828.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/1007828.jpg/)http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1007828.jpg/1/w2048.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img31/1007828.jpg/1/)

[Quacktracker]

Maybe hevi-shot has fallen upon something great... the one thing that no one expected to ever help hold tight patterns is.................. flax seeds?:rolleyes:

[MuskyHunter]

Where did you get it from? Can't find it anywhere.

[Brad From ND]

Have you shot it yet? I'm a big fan of Hevi-Steel B's on geese. Everytime I go to this one store, I buy another box. They have it dirt cheap. I'm stocking up for when it gets phased out. I do want to try the Hevi-Metal, though. I hope it shoots as good.

[Wtrfwlr]

I'll bet Environ-Metal has Vegetarians working for them...

[Drake]

Thanks but no thanks.:rolleyes:
A lot of coin for flax seeds.
I guess you can plant while you shoot some birds.:o

[RedBarren]

Where did you get it from? Can't find it anywhere.

found it at Bud gun shop, hope to shoot some this week and compare it to hevi steel.......

http://www.google.com/products?q=hevi-metal&oe=utf8&hl=en&authorid=267395&cdn=BudsGunShop.com&lnk=storesugg

[Alex Bowe]

I'll bet Environ-Metal has Vegetarians working for them...

HAHAAHA love it!! but i am curious as to why thet did that. seems like a lot of money to have the empty space filled with seeds

[duckin82]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
I BLAME OBAMA, jk

but seriously, why the seeds????? i dont get it, ammunition just aint what it used to be i guess.....

[chevyman_2000]

Am I gonna have to get a planting permit to shot this because It's not a native species of plant? LOL!

All jokes aside. I'm guess flax seed is cheap and IMO it's whats hitting the birds not whats holding it in there. Your getting a hard hitting pellet with good pattern for a good price. I could careless what it is packed with.

[derbyhillsranch]

The "Flax Seeds" are actually wax pellets simply to fill the space to create a tight packing for a full charge. It helps us give a full crimp on the shell when we close it. Hope this helps

[greyson1]

What's the cost per box for the 3"ers?

[RedBarren]

What's the cost per box for the 3"ers?
$20/ bx 3", $23/bx 3.5" at Buds plus shipping,

[greyson1]

Thanks for the info Red. I'm waiting for one of the dealers around here to get off there duffs & get me some so I can shoot some of those wax seeds at a patterning board.:D

[chevyman_2000]

I noticed in the first pics posted that there are two differnt colours and sizes of pellet. Whats the deal there? Is only part of it hevi shot and the rest steel or something?

[derbyhillsranch]

I noticed in the first pics posted that there are two differnt colours and sizes of pellet. Whats the deal there? Is only part of it hevi shot and the rest steel or something?

Yes, there is a mix of our patented moly coated metal and regular steel pellets.

Also, i believe that the HEVI Metal will retail under $20 but its not out much yet so thats still unsure.

[chevyman_2000]

oh ic so is the hevi there just to fill in the blanks of the steel loads? Kinds skypical of this. I don't like taking shoots over 40 yards anyways. If I decided to try this do I pick my sizes as though I was buyting steel or real hevi. Exmaple #4 hevi #3steel for ducks. #2hevi BBsteel for geese.

[greyson1]

I'm under the impression that it is the same range limits as steel with better pattern density. Expected choke/pattern % is listed on Hevi's web site now.

[chevyman_2000]

well a tighter pattern would me longer distance shots. I would shoot steel 50 yards if I could keep a tight pattern.

[greyson1]

I don't know about a tighter pattern that usually depends on what choke constriction your shooting.There idea is a higher shot % in a 30" circle at what ever distance your shooting.

[fowl killer]

Who is sellin this stuff, I searched bass pro and cabelas, gander mtn as well but no luck, I like the price and would like to compare it to Black cloud

[derbyhillsranch]

HEVI-Metal isnt in most retail stores yet, but will be by August.

-Several of you guys are right that with the Pattern Density Technology, there are 20% more pellets in the usual pattern. HEVI-Shot is more designed for the tigher patterns for longer ranges.

--For most of the guys that take decoying shots at 45yds and in, HEVI-Metal will benifit you by increasing the pellet count 20% (putting more pellets in the bird and more lethality.)
--If your looking to consistantly take birds at 40+ yards, HEVI-Shot will benifit you by holding a tigher pattern for a longer distance.
NOW, the benifits to our whole line is that our patented metals are heavier than the usual steel. With more weight in a pellet, the pellets hold their speed and energy for longer distances. Our pellets are also shaped to provide more tissue damage when going into the bird.

Hope this helps clarify

[greyson1]

what a minute you're going to confuse some poeple here talking about two totally different products in your post.
First Hevi metel contains steel & mystery material that weighs ruffle the same as steel but in smaller shot size thus giving you more shot in the pattern not making the pattern tighter but more full.

Hevi shot ( duck & goose),Hevi-steel being more dense in weight than steel will pattern tighter & give you longer lethal range.

[chevyman_2000]

ahhh I get it now. I think I'll stick with my kent then.

[derbyhillsranch]

what a minute you're going to confuse some poeple here talking about two totally different products in your post.
First Hevi metel contains steel & mystery material that weighs ruffle the same as steel but in smaller shot size thus giving you more shot in the pattern not making the pattern tighter but more full.

Hevi shot ( duck & goose),Hevi-steel being more dense in weight than steel will pattern tighter & give you longer lethal range.

Im pointing out the differences between the original HEVI-SHOT (duck/goose) and the new HEVI-METAL.

also, Hevi-Steel was another type of shell that is no longer in production but has been replaced by HEVI-METAL.

[RedBarren]

Who is sellin this stuff, I searched bass pro and cabelas, gander mtn as well but no luck, I like the price and would like to compare it to Black cloud

try this https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/60326

[greyson1]

Yah it a shame about the hevi-steel,I'm grabbing up as much as I can before its gone. I understand you have to compete with black cloud somehow and I'm not tring to put your product down just trying to clarify on your hevi metal because you folks confuse alot of people with your 20% this & 40 % that.
Best of luck on your new product.

Also available at ableammo.com

[derbyhillsranch]

Yah it a shame about the hevi-steel,I'm grabbing up as much as I can before its gone. I understand you have to compete with black cloud somehow and I'm not tring to put your product down just trying to clarify on your hevi metal because you folks confuse alot of people with your 20% this & 40 % that.
Best of luck on your new product.

Also available at ableammo.com

Dont worry, you havent broke my heart. :D

[greyson1]

AHHH Yah, Just your last feeling right! Thats right I forgot most of you corporate guys don't have hearts or a conscious.

[derbyhillsranch]

AHHH Yah, Just your last feeling right! Thats right I forgot most of you corporate guys don't have hearts or a conscious.

i obviously struck a wrong note that i wasnt aware of. I was using sarcasm that must have been wrongly taken? I insure you that im not corporate and am just another regular hunter involved in the industry. Sorry for the offense i brought upon you.

[Hevishot]

Guys,
the flax seed are inert seeds that Hevishot uses to replace the plastic fillers found in previous loads. Once we reach the shot load weight, any remaining space has to be filled or the crimp will not be constant(ala other mfg) So we use biodegradable seeds as filler vs the old plastic! They have nothing to do with patterning or performance!

[RedBarren]

Guys,
the flax seed are inert seeds that Hevishot uses to replace the plastic fillers found in previous loads. Once we reach the shot load weight, any remaining space has to be filled or the crimp will not be constant(ala other mfg) So we use biodegradable seeds as filler vs the old plastic! They have nothing to do with patterning or performance!

thanks for the info, but why not just fill it with bb's, something that will kill ducks..... or use a smaller wad.
so why are we paying for 3'' if you only fill them as 2.75 "?

[chevyman_2000]

thanks for the info, but why not just fill it with bb's, something that will kill ducks..... or use a smaller wad.
so why are we paying for 3'' if you only fill them as 2.75 "?


If your buying your bird loads just by the lenght of the shell there might be a problem. They are sold by the oz. I know it's not waterfowling but I buy my hevi shot turkey loads 3 1/2" but only 1 3/4oz loads. The 2 1/4 loads don't pattern well at all. For my gun they pattern alot better than getting the same oz of shot in a 3" and maybe even a 2 3/4". I love the hevi shot turkey loads! But I only need 2-3 shells a year so I don't mind paying the price. I average 250 rounds a year for ducks/geese. Thats alot of money to spend on bird loads, but thats just my toughts.

[RIVERSLEDDER]

I for one am going to wait and pass judgement after I pattern the stuff and use it on birds in the field. I heard a lot of the same stuff about Hevi steel when it came out and it was a great product in my opinion. And if it works as well as Hevi steel for that $20 price, I will use it.

[OSUChad]

If you are shooting flax seed out of your gun over your duck hole, you are baiting. I know that is ridiculous and that it is a very small amount, but why would they even consider putting something that could be considered baiting? Something isn't right here.

I love my Hevi-Shot. Please don't pack it with flax seed.

Chad

[Jello]

I miss lead shot :(